Podcast Episode 29 – Grieving Well

I’m Diana Swillinger, and you’re listening to the Renew Your Mind podcast. Episode number 29. Grieving Well.

DIANA: Hey. Hey. How y’all doing today? So great to be back. I have kind of a fun episode today, which I’m going to explain in just a minute, but let me read a couple of reviews because I haven’t done that for a week or two. So if you guys listen on itunes, you should definitely go leave a review. It’s fun. I’ll read it on here. You’ll get to hear it read on the podcast, and it helps other people find it so they can be a part of the Renew Your Mind movement. So thanks to those who’ve left reviews so far, I’m looking forward to the one you’re about to go leave if you haven’t yet. This one here is from Libby Brin. Livy Brin real estate is actually what it is. She says, love this podcast. Thank you for this much needed podcast. Just discovered it. So glad I did. All right. 

And one more from Joh. 68 exclamation marks. It says life changing and life giving. These podcasts are amazing. The topics and tools she shares are life changing. You should definitely subscribe, right? You can go subscribe too. If you haven’t hit the subscribe button. That also helps. Just go do it. So this episode is coming because of the people in the Renew Your Mind community on Facebook. If you’re in that community, a lot of times I’ll ask, what do you want to hear on the podcast? 

So a couple of weeks ago, I asked, and three people said they really wanted to hear about grief, and I did not want to wait to serve them and share with them what I know about grief, because I have done a lot of work in my life on grief. So I decided to just go live in the Facebook group and do an extended live talking about grief. My husband listened to it, and he said that was really good. So I thought instead of re recording a new podcast on grief like I said I would, I could just use that Facebook Live and share that all with you. So that’s what I did. Now I’m not going to do that every time I go live. I go live a lot in my group, and I’m not going to share them all. So if you don’t want to miss any, head on over to Rympodcast.com, and there’s a link on that page to join the Facebook group. I’d love to see you over there. But for today, take a listen to my Facebook Live about grief. Please forgive me. Not taking good care of my microphone. There’s some tapping noises here and there as I shuffle around. I was being pretty comfortable and casual and didn’t expect to use it for the podcast. So sorry about that. And occasionally I’m looking at the comments and questions in the chat. So if you hear me talking about some people or grabbing a question, that’s what I’m doing. All right, enjoy, and I’ll see you over at the Facebook community soon.

I’m going to start talking about grief. Okay, so I spent a little time out on my patio sorting out my thoughts about grief. And I realized I said I was going to talk about grief. And this is the third anniversary of, uh, my father passing away, and here I am talking about grief. Uh, let’s just identify what grief is. I like to look up definitions. I didn’t even look up a definition on this one because I think we just kind of know and how would we describe it in our own terms? I think grief is the pain we feel when we lose something or when we lose someone. In the context of this this morning, I’m going to be talking about it all in the mindset of thinking about losing a person. Okay? When we lose people in our life, we feel pain from the loss. But why? Why does it hurt when we lose someone? You know, people die every day, and we don’t feel any pain about other people dying. 

Several people already died today. But I don’t feel pain because I don’t know those people. So in order to feel any kind of grief at all, we need to at least know who the person is. But even then, I’ll know somebody died, and I don’t feel any pain. So it’s not just that we know someone. There’s got to be something more. What is it? We have to have some connection now. We don’t really need to have interacted with a person to feel grief. I have felt grief when one of my favorite TV or movie actors dies because I’m like, oh, no. I’ve liked having that person in my life. They were in my life, in my, uh, experience, in my perspective. And they’re not going to be able to show up in my life anymore other than things from the past. There’s going to be no more live interviews with them. There’s going to be no more music they’re putting out. There’s going to be no more movies. It’s over. And I feel the loss of that because I felt connected to that person, what they contributed in the world, in my own experience in life. But that kind of grief is often kind of short lived. Like, it hurts a little, and we feel icky, and we’re noticing that loss, but it doesn’t drag us down. We do move on with life. I know we’re talking about people, but let’s just talk about, like, um I was going to say pets, but we could go to distant relatives and acquaintances and stuff. 

We’ll feel more grief or sometimes my friend’s mom died, and I did not feel any grief about losing her mom because I didn’t know her. But I felt grief and sadness for the loss along with my friend. So sometimes we have that too. Acquaintances, um, some friends, and even pets, I still grieve. Some pets I feel sad about. I lost a cat a year ago unexpectedly, and it was really hard for me to process. And I still feel some pain from that grief. It’s always when we have a connection now, when it’s somebody very close to us, our, uh, best friend, a parent, a sister, a child, we have deep love for that person. They mean something very important to us. Our lives feel integrated. And when that person is gone, we feel deep pain and sorrow. I like to think of it as if you’re going to love someone deeply, you’re going to grieve deeply. So depending on your level of connection, you will have a different experience of grief. The less connected you are to someone, the less grief you’ll feel. 

The more deeply connected you are, the deeper the feeling of grief will be. Okay? So that’s what grief is. And a little bit about the scale, like sliding scale of how much we’re going to feel grief. The second thing I’d like to say about grief is that we have the option to reject it or accept it. We can say, I don’t like this part about life. This isn’t fair. Grief sucks. I hate it, I don’t want it. And we resist it. But the secret is, anytime we try to resist emotions in our life or things that are actually happening, we’re adding more discomfort and pain to our own lives. So accepting that grief is a part of life can be helpful because we just take out the layer of resisting it. When my sister died of leukemia 18 and plus years ago, I resisted it. I remember being in the shower screaming, I hate this. I remember pushing the grief away. I don’t want this. This is terrible. None of this should have happened. This is a problem. And resisting it led me to bad places. It led me to depression. It led me to anxiety. It led me to overwhelm. It led me to trying to numb all of the discomfort with I mean, honestly, I used depression to help numb my pain. 

It’s kind of a strange way to look at it, but that’s what I noticed, that I allowed myself to enter into depression many times because it would just give me this dull numbing of life. And it felt a little more tolerable to be depressed than to deal with the grief. And, um, then the other thing I did is I turned to alcohol because I wasn’t processing the grief. And when you don’t process it, it builds up and it’s painful. And you add all those other emotions that are uncomfortable on top of it, and then you look for relief in some other way. So resisting it doesn’t work. Accepting it can seem counterintuitive, like, hey, grief, come on, I welcome you. This is a part of life. But what’s the alternative? Pushing it away and feeling worse? The cold, hard truth? Or maybe it’s not cold at all. I shouldn’t say that. Just the truth about our experience here on Earth is people die. That’s it. That’s what happens. People die. One of my good friend’s brother died in a car crash. My sister died from leukemia. My dad died from prostate cancer. Of course, I have lots of other people that died too. 

Uncles, cousins, grandparents in my own life. And you’ve had yours. People die. I say to my kids sometimes just to lighten it up a little and help us remember that this is just a part of life. Death is a part of our experience here. Death is a part of life. And that’s funny how we say that death is a part of life. Our experience of death is a part of life. And then I tell them too, hey, listen, Thomas, he’s one of my kids, Thomas, guess what? He’s like. What? Mom. I’m like you’re going to die. And we laugh about a little bit, bring some levity to it. We don’t have to be so serious about it all the time. Death happens, it’s going to happen. We all lose people. So it’s a part of life, right? That’s awesome. We still don’t want to deal with it, but can we at least just start by accepting that it’s normal, accepting that we don’t get to escape it? It’s just here. And then be m a little curious about if I didn’t resist it, if I didn’t hate it, then what would I want to do with it? So the answer to that is, what would I want to do with it? For me, and grief is an individual experience, everybody has to decide how to do this themselves. 

I wouldn’t even tell you it was wrong for me to numb grief with depression and alcohol. Maybe that’s exactly what I was supposed to do at that time in my life when I lost my sister for a greater purpose, for a greater story, for my journey, for my development, for me to become the person I am today and helping the people I help. I can’t even say I did it wrong then, but I did want to do it differently. When my dad died, I wanted to try welcoming it, uh, instead of resisting it. So I was willing to do grief. I let myself be a willing participant with grief. I decided not to view it as something that was just put on me, thrust upon me, thrown at me, put in front of me, put on my plate without me agreeing for it to be there. I agreed that I was going to grieve. I admitted, um, and when I’m talking past tense, I’m thinking about how I chose to do it. When my dad died three years ago, I admitted that I chose to love him. All my life, I wanted to love my dad. I chose to love my dad. I chose to let him in my heart and be a very important person to me. And I think that was the right decision. I don’t regret that at all. I chose love. I chose relationship. I chose to have conversations with him. I chose to visit him. I chose to see him. I chose a connection with him that I could only have with him. I’m his daughter. He’s my dad. He’s the only one. This is special. And I will have him have a special position in my life. I chose it all. So guess what that means? If you love someone sincerely and deeply, you’re going to have grief when they’re gone. I chose that if I never wanted to grieve my dad, I could have rejected relationship with him a long time ago, and then I could skip the grief. I didn’t want to do that. So, um, I was honest with myself. I’m like, Listen, I chose to love him deeply. I will grieve him deeply. That’s how it works. I’m in for that. I wouldn’t change a thing. Let’s do grief. That’s kind of how I thought of it. That’s what I have now. I’ve got grief. Let’s do it. 

Just checking in on the comments here before I go to the next thing. Is it the same grief if you lose Let’s do it. Just checking in on the comments here before I go to the next thing. Is it the same grief if you lose someone in your life even though they are still alive? Yes. I have a sister, uh, who is a bit younger than me. And when she came into my life when I was a teenager, I decided right then and there, I’m like this little girl. I’m going to love her with all my heart, no matter what, for the rest of my life. I will always love her just as she is. I will always be there for her. I will give of myself to her. I’m so glad she’s in my life. I know I was the baby, the family until then, so this was a whole new thing for me. I’m like, I’m 15 and I get a baby sister. I’m going to be an amazing big sister. And I will always, always love her. 

But for the last four years, she’s wanted no relationship with me. She had decided she didn’t want me in her life anymore. She didn’t like how I viewed life. She didn’t like decisions I made for my kids, and she didn’t want me in her life anymore. Which was interesting because we had to go through losing our dad together. And we have other family things that keep us tied together a little bit. But for the last four years, she’s wanted no relationship with me. And, um, grief is something that’s ongoing. And when I come to you guys, I’m totally raw. I didn’t even know I was going to talk about my sister today. Other sister lost one with cancer. And then I have one that has decided she doesn’t want me in her life anymore. I still grieve it. Um, I think it would be awesome to have her in my life. I would love to love her in person. I still love her deeply. But, um, she doesn’t want that, and I respect it. She gets to choose. She’s having kids of her own now, and she’s finding her way, and she doesn’t want me to be a part of that. She gets to do that, and it’s okay. And I still have some pain and grief that she’s not in my life. You could even choose not to have someone in your life. I have done that, too, which is part of why I don’t blame my sister. 

She gets to find her way and decide who she wants in her life, and she’s figuring it out. I had made a decision in my life at one point not to have someone in my life anymore. That was, um, pulling me it seemed like she was pulling me down more than she was lifting me up. And I needed to take a break from that relationship. And I chose to take a break. And I grieved her still, so they don’t need to be gone. It’s the pain of the disconnection and the physical connection and interaction. I still love my dad and my sister, and I feel very connected, but I’m, uh, missing physical components of the relationship, and it’s painful. I don’t even know how. And psychologists still study this all the time. Like, God made us to be in connection. God made us to want to touch each other and hear each other’s voices and encourage each other and speak words to each other and see faces and expressions. He made us to long for that. And so when we lose it, there is pain. 

Okay, so I’m going to talk a little bit about processing grief. But before I do that, I want to remind you again that we all get to do grief our own way. There is no right way to do it. There is no wrong way to do it. No two grieving people ever do it the same. Like, no two snowflakes are alike. No grieving process is alike. There is no way for you to actually know if you’re doing it right or wrong. So let’s just imagine there is no wrong way. I don’t think there is a wrong way. So you guys have to give yourself grace if you think you did it wrong sometime. Don’t think that. Just think I was figuring it out. I was trying a way to grieve or I think if that happens again, I’ll do it differently. I notice I would like to try it differently next week or next time this comes up or next person this happens with, like I did with my sister. I don’t think I did it wrong 18 years ago. I think I did it exactly the way I was supposed to at that time in my life, with where I was at and what I was capable of and what I needed to learn. And it looked different this time with my dad. And that’s fine. I did it right both times. I just get to decide to believe that because every journey is different. 

So grace. Grace. Grace. Give yourself grace. So processing it. I remember when my sister died, my brother in law, who, um, was married to my sister, and I would talk daily for a couple of months. And he likened grief and I don’t know if he got this from somewhere not but he likened grief to being like a lake, like a lake filled with water that would gradually be drained over time. And I would like to suggest that if it’s somebody you really love deeply, you probably don’t empty the lake of grief in this lifetime. So it just becomes something that you do. 18 years later, I still grieve my sister. The grieving lake isn’t empty. I haven’t drained all of it out. I, um, probably never will. If I live to be 90, I will probably still have moments of grief and processing of grief the entire time. That’s, uh, why we got to accept it, you guys. That’s why there’s no point in rejecting it. It just stays with us. Just as much as we’re going to go through life loving people, we’re going to go through life grieving people. It’s just what we do. It’s not bad. 

It’s not something to wish would go away. It’s just part of life. In that vein, you can allow it to come. So I’m a mom. I have four kids. Especially when my sister died, I had two little boys, and then I ended up getting pregnant after. So a, uh, year a year after she died, I had another boy. So my grief was very challenging for me. And I had little boys, and they needed a mama to take care of them. And, uh, we don’t always want our kids to see us crying. We just want to show up. We want to be our good mom. We don’t want to be weeping all the time. Whatever. So you can choose times to allow the grief. You don’t have to just do it like, oh, I’m feeling the sadness coming. This commercial reminded me, or that sad part of the movie reminded me, um, it’s coming. I need to experience it right now. You can decide to experience it on your own later, or you can remove yourself from a room. I remember. Have you guys seen the Disney movie Coco. I love cocoa. I had no clue that Cocoa was about the loss of a relationship with a father. I don’t want to spoil it if you haven’t seen Cocoa, because you should totally see it. It’s on Disney Plus at, uh, least once. It’s a beautiful movie. And if you’ve ever lost your dad, prepare yourself and, um, let yourself breathe a little with it. But I was not prepared. And there came a point at the end of the movie where it just brought up all this emotion about me missing my dad. 

Because I think it was less than a year since he died, and I had no idea what I was in for. It I had so much grief want to come flooding out. And I didn’t want to hold it back because it felt like I just needed to let her rip. So I left the living room where my family was, and I went in the bedroom and shut the door and I sobbed. I was not in control. So I guess you could say uncontrollably. I mean, I was in control that I was letting it happen, but I just let it all out. And tears came gushing out. And I did that for like 10 minutes. Then I had to collect myself and clean up my face. Um, but I let myself do it. There’s another time I remember I was feeling I’m like, I miss my dad. I can just feel that it’s grief. It’s just there. It’s just there. It’s there. And I kept doing stuff and I wasn’t processing it. So one time I’m in the car and I’m like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Grief has just been hanging out there. I can feel it right now. And I was alone. So I’m like, let’s do it. Let’s do grief. What does that mean? What does that feel like in my body? 

Grief feels like I can’t get enough air. And so I started breathing harder. And I’m like, it feels like my throat is getting tight and the tear ducts are starting to get engaged. And if I gave it a color, it’s gray and it feels warbly through my body. And it means tears are going to come out of my eyes. And nobody else was on the freeway. I was up here in Washington County, Wisconsin, in the middle of the day. Not a lot of people on the freeways. No cars were rounds. I was safe. And I’m like, just let the tears come. After about 10 seconds of letting the tears come out, I was like, huh? Is that it? I don’t really feel a lot of grief anymore. I mean, I felt that a few seconds ago. And some tears were starting to come, but I guess that’s it. All right. And then I went out with my day. 

This wasn’t that long ago. This was sometime during coronavirus season here. And my dad had already been gone for two and a half years, so it wasn’t as fresh. And I still grieve him, but it came and then it just went. I’m, um like for two days, I was feeling this nagging grief. It wouldn’t go away. And when I finally gave myself a moment to allow, it took about 10 seconds and it moved through. And I do that a lot of other times too, if I notice it. When I was preparing for this, this morning, two days ago, at night, I told my husband the kids were all at youth group and he was bringing some takeout food home and just the two of us were going to hang out together. And I’m like, sent him a text. I’m like, I have to warn you, I’m exhausted. And I feel weepy. He’s like, Why are you weepy? I’m like, I have no clue. Duh. This is the week that my father died three years ago. Isn’t it funny how our bodies kind of know inside, like, oh, this is that time’s coming up. This is that time of year. 

Like the back of our brain somewhere in their nose. And then our body starts clueing in. I needed to grieve. I didn’t know it. You know what I actually need to do this afternoon, everybody? I need to process that grief that’s been hanging out with me this week. So I’m going to allow it on purpose. That’s kind of, ah, a weird it was a weird thing for me to get used to doing, like being very cognizant about allowing grief on purpose. Does anybody have questions on that? Let me check if there’s any comments in here. Grieving when your sons graduate? Uh, from high school. I have a son who went to college. I grieved last year when he went to college for his freshman semester. Then he came home for Coronavirus and he was here for six months, and then he just left again. So I have a little grief with that too. Yes. Brenda has people in her life that don’t want her in their life, and they live close and you grieve them. Yeah. That’s okay. Doesn’t mean anything’s gone wrong. It’s like the nature of relationships and love and grief. It all comes together. All right, let’s see where we’re at. Okay. I wanted to just mention this. I just told you how to process grief on purpose. 

But sometimes grief isn’t just one clean emotion of grief. Sometimes grief is like a magnet and it’s attracting other emotions, like doubt. Does God even exist? Anger. I’m so mad this happened. I want that person in my life. It shouldn’t be this way. That shouldn’t have happened that way. Pity. Poor me. I have to go on with life without this person. Lonely. I really wish I could go connect with that person. I just feel so alone. Discouraged. You like my sound effects discouraged. Latches on. Okay, so grief isn’t always just clean. Sometimes we have all these other emotions going with it. So did I say motions or emotions? Emotions. So, yes, we need to stop and allow grief, but we also need to pay attention to what else we’re feeling. We might need to process that too. I cannot tell you how many times I have doubt along with grief, because we long, especially when it’s somebody that’s died. We want to be reunited. We long to be reconnected. And if we believe in God like I do, we are told we’re all going to be reunited in, huh, heaven. And then I doubt. What if that’s not real? What if religion is something we made up? What if Jesus was just a person? 

Okay, I’ve got some doubt. Uh, I’m doubting this is even real. It’s coming along with my grief. All right. And I give myself more grace. It’s normal to doubt even when there’s not grief. It’s normal to doubt our faith. It’s normal to doubt eternity. It’s normal to doubt God. Okay. What does doubt feel like? I don’t know. Doubt, for me, feels like an empty head. Like all my thoughts escape and there’s air in there. It’s kind of like a cloud. And it kind of makes me think I could just dissipate into nothingness and nothing matters. So it’s very wispy. And I let myself feel doubt. I can do that with all the emotions. You do it with anger. Anger is a great one to process, because if you don’t, it just festers in frustration, anger and stress. You can process anger without lashing out at people because, um, I know when we’re holding back a whole bunch of emotions, you’ve got grief, you got anger, you got doubt, you have frustration, you have loneliness. Sometimes we lash out because we get this feeling like it’s all too much and you’re too much, and what you’re doing is too much, and we just let it out at other people. 

So if you’re feeling anger, take yourself to a place where you can process it without lashing at other people. You can be angry. It’s fine. God doesn’t care when you’re angry, even if you’re angry at Him. Not a problem. Just find a place where you can go through it. What does it feel like in your body? It feels hot. It feels fiery. It feels tense. It feels clenchy. Let yourself feel it. I feel anger. Where do I feel it? In my body. I wonder how long this is going to last. So I could do a whole different thing on here. And I think I have a podcast already on processing emotions, but I also have one slated for I don’t know when, but it’s on my to do list for processing negative emotions. So I will get into that a little bit more, uh, another time. Or you can ask me questions anytime or send me messages. I will help you if you need help with that. And I see a comment. That doubt is scary sometimes. Yeah, but why is doubt scary? I understand that and I have experienced that, but let’s just decide why it’s scary. Doubt is scary because we think that if our thoughts are true when we’re doubting that heaven even exists, if that’s true, then what’s going to happen to me? I don’t know what’s going to happen. And that’s scary. We think we know what’s going to happen. 

We think when we read the Bible and go to church, we fully understand God and heaven and how everything is going to happen. The truth is we don’t even fully understand that. And if we go to faith this, uh, is my sister’s favorite verse, by the way. Not favorite, but this is a verse that she clung to in the final months of her life. Hebrews eleven one. Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. But we also doubt because it’s just faith. It’s being certain of, uh, what we don’t know. That’s probably why doubt feels kind of wispy and foggy and stuff to me. The reality is we don’t totally know. We never have. We get pieces. God gives us pieces and we try to make sense of it. Maybe doubting is just normal and it’s fine, and you can admit that we don’t actually know how it all works out. My daughter asked me if our pets are going to heaven. I’m like, you know what? I don’t actually know. So I could doubt it or I could just decide. I think all our pets are going to be there. I love our pets. And I believe every living creature that we invest in and love people and animals are going to be there. What is the harm of believing that? Carla, the verse is Hebrews eleven one. I have it on plaque on my bookshelf. 

Um, okay, I’m going to leave you with some last strategies for grief. I told you to process it. I told you to give you some tips on that. I told you to notice other emotions that you can process along with it. Because sometimes if we don’t process those other ones, we never feel like we’re experiencing grief in a healthy way. It always feels like a muddled mess. So you got to notice and process some of those other ones. Some other things you can do. Remind yourself that grief means you love. Remind yourself of all the love. For example, thinking of my dad. Yes, I feel grief because, oh yeah, there it is, all that love. I still feel it. I feel the love. Grief is sadness when you disconnect and love, it’s never devoid of the love. Shine a light on the love. You can even smile while you grieve. Of course this hurts because I love everything’s. Okay, another thing you can do is add gratitude for two and a half years after my sister died. I was angry. I was angry at God sometimes I even directed my anger at my sister. Like, how dare you leave me? Like she had any control over cancer. 

I got so tired of being angry. I got so tired of being disconnected from God because I was angry at him. When you spend all your time being angry at somebody, you don’t really connect. So I was disconnected from God. I’m like, I’ve had enough. I miss you, God. How can I get out of this pit of being angry about this all the time? And so I added gratitude every time I thought this, uh, is what would happen. Oh, I miss my sister Sherry so much. I really miss her. Oh, uh, she shouldn’t have died. That was wrong. And I’m so mad at you, God. You shouldn’t have taken her away. And then I would stop, and I’d be like, oh, yeah, wait, I don’t want to be angry. I’ve been doing that for two and a half years. That’s huh, not helping. I’m going to be grateful instead, or I’d remind myself the next time it happened, hey, remember, when that anger comes up, just do gratitude instead. And I’m like, okay. I am sad my sister’s gone because I love her. And I am so grateful that she was my big sister for 30 years. The first 30 years of my life, three decades. I had an amazing sister. That is something to be so grateful for. I, uh, am thankful. I am grateful she was there when I was a high school student and I needed a big sister to guide me. I am thankful she was my maid of honor. I’m thankful she got to babysit my oldest son and love him. I am so thankful. And I love her, and it hurts, but I am thankful. The last thing I want to say is that you can allow yourself joy. You are not betraying anybody. When you are in pain that they’re gone and you laugh at jokes, you can still miss them. And you can go to a party. You can wish they were around and have the biggest smile when you see the most beautiful sunset. You can miss them and build new relationships with other people and enjoy them. 

My brother in law, who lost my sister 18 and a half years ago, he still loves her. He still misses her. He still talks about her. He still grieves. The lake is not empty. And he’s married, and he loves his wife. And he has joy in his life, and he has two sons, and he’s living. We get to still have joy while we’re here. And there’s nothing wrong when you do that. You still get to laugh. You still get to smile. It’s all of it. That’s the human experience. That’s what God wants us to have, because that’s what he gave us. Why not embrace it all? That’s a little therapy session for me. Um, I am grateful for all of you that I can show up here and be vulnerable and be honest. And we get to do this together because we need each other. We need to encourage each other, we need to learn from each other, and we get to figure it all out together. I am here for you. 

You can send me messages in Facebook. Um, you can send me emails at Diana@dianaswillinger.com. I have a free webinar coming up where it’s kind of like this, but I’ll even have some PowerPoint slides so that gets fancy. Um, at the end of the end of the month, we’re going to do getting unstuck. Uh, what else? There’s always stuff on my podcast. Basically, I’m here to help you if you need me. If you haven’t coached with me yet and you would like to get a one on one coaching call to help with grief or anything else, you can always do that, too. I’m here for you, and I would love to encourage you and support you in any way I can. That’s it. Um, you guys are awesome. Take care. 

As an advanced certified life coach, I help Christian women trying to live their best lives, but they still feel unsatisfied, and stuck. I teach thought management skills that work so you can enjoy life again and Step into who God has created you to be. Don’t forget to head on over to Rympodcast.com to  get my free resources or a free coaching call.